Schappelle corby

[Seven]

Todays her verdict, truly hope those dickheads see that shes innocent... just heard the song written about her ontoday fm, and :(


anyhow thought id start a thread in her honour and hope she gets to come home!

[thatgirlmichelle]

Ditto. I believe she's innocent...but we'll probably never know the whole story. If she is innocent as many people seem to believe, she needs our support.

[Seven]

I believe shes innocent but if she wasnt f**** hell shes already suffered enough. this whole bull shit makes me mad. and if she got life or something ohhh man :mad:


Got to say shes one strong person, i would of given up a loooong time ago, regardless if i was innocent or not.

[thatgirlmichelle]

Yeah, she's definitely strong, I would have fallen to pieces within the first week. Maybe even sooner.

Does anyone else think the media are making it into a total circus act? I understand that her family needs the money to go over and support her, but having the media constantly in your face couldn't be helping things. Especially because they'd probably print whatever they wanted to anyway, regardless of what Schapelle or her family says.

[Seven]

yeah theres too much media shit going down there end, but i mean media wise here i agree with as its her own country and she needs the support.but i guess the fact that they are making a film out of it might not be going down well down that end.


Well i just hope what ever happens , in the future we shouldnt support those sort of countries...i mean if something happens here we'd send them back to their country deoprt them etc... but with them they want to keep one of our own. fkn ridicoulous!

[Nicky Noo]

i know that the media has a job to do, but why can't they leave her alone for at least 5 mins. if their not shoving a camera in her face on her way to court, their doing it on the way back to her cell. Give her 5 mins peace.

Thats what i reckon anyway :p

[swede]

i know that i and no one else here knows whether she did it or not, only she does, and if she didnt, those that actually did do it. i have no idea

[Seven]

Its on ch 7 now, man shes looking brave and still so good. Id be falling apart!!

[swede]

i wonder what the verdict will be...

[Nicky Noo]

i know that i and no one else here knows whether she did it or not, only she does, and if she didnt, those that actually did do it. i have no idea
u just plain confused me now, swedey!!!!

[Seven]

theyre saying it now, she looks like shes gonna throw up! its making me wanna throw up!!!

[swede]

well no one knows the truth, whether she is guilty or not

im stayin outta it, cause i simply dont know

[what]

i wonder what the verdict will be...
probably guilty. it's looking bad hey, those judges have never acquitted a drug charge, and schapelle has three charges- she might get acquitted of one, but it's unlikely that all of the charges will be acquitted. poor schapelle :(

[Seven]

yeah everyones got their own opinion but i believe she is innocent, no one can be that dumb!!!

[Seven]

what a dickhead the camera mans mobile just went off now u can hear his convo!!!

[Nicky Noo]

she is extemely nervous looking, but i would be too, if that was me!

[Seven]

she is extemely nervous looking, but i would be too, if that was me!


Id be shitting my pants and id pass out! shes pretty calm. I think no matter what the outcome shes going to react really crazyily....shes been so calm the whole time, it would make one insane!

[what]

yeah everyones got their own opinion but i believe she is innocent, no one can be that dumb!!!
yeah i think she's innocent too... but u gotta remember bali is a different country with a completely different legal system.

[Seven]

yeah i think she's innocent too... but u gotta remember bali is a different country with a completely different legal system.


Thats what makes me so mad, they dont have the security but then they still go to the extremes of convicting someone to a certain crime to such a extreme sentence! its nuts.


So they are aiming for a ten yr sentence so she can come home after 2 years....thats crazy i mean far out, i wouldnt do 7 months let alone 2 yrs for sumfing i didnt do! and to top it off her dads dying of cancer!

[Tribal_Drummer]

their legal system seems to be guilty until proven innocent.

unfortunately i don't think she'll be acquitted :(

the chief judge has been a part of 500 drugs cases & is yet to acquit one single case.


i think a lot of tears will be shed today.

[swede]

meh, ud be surprised as to how dumb someone could be...

but yeh ill stay sittin on the fence with an i dont know

[Seven]

well the court has said she admitted to the drugs, but she was rolling her eyes at some of the stuff.... man so many photographers at the window thats carzy!!

[swede]

um and the verdict?

[cirrol]

Only she knows whether she's innocent or not. I still think they'll find her guilty. Maybe she wont get life but she'll get soem sort of sentence. At least they're not going to have her killed. I still feel sorry for her.

[lozzy]

i'm sitting on the fence too swede. as much as i want to believe she's innocent, you never know. either way, any sentence more than a year in jail (even that) is ridiculous

[Seven]

I believe shes innocent but yeah im starting to think i mean in court they just said she admitted to it, and like swede said only she knows. besides maybe she did it for money for her dads cancer or wat eva... what ever the truth is i think she doesnt deserve it and deep down i think and hope shes innocent... man how long does this court go for before we know????

[Seven]

AH FUKN HELL stupid judge just made the intepretor take off her mic!!!


how harsh is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[swede]

crazy hey, well... we will have to wait i guess

interesting...

[what]

i wonder if it's like here where the time she's already spent in jail counts as part of the sentence

[swede]

i doubt it. but who knows...

[what]

i doubt it. but who knows...
not me! hehe. wow technology these days eh. imagine if this happened 20 or 30 years ago. wonder what would have happened.

[swede]

*shrugs*
im too tired to think... 3 fuckin hours

[Tribal_Drummer]

besides maybe she did it for money for her dads cancer or wat eva...

thats another thing that always made me feel maybe she is innocent... 4.1kg of pot is a lot more valuable on the streets of australia than it is in bali... & also a hell of a lot less riskier.

hmm

[swede]

but not if she is being paid by someone to do it

[Tribal_Drummer]

i guess i never thought of that... still don't understand how someone could do something so bloody stupid.

[thatgirlmichelle]

True, there are just so many factors involved. Just when someones convinced you that she's innocent, they throw another scenario at you. Whether she's innocent or not will come down to the judges, not us.

[what]

thats fucked. she's been found guilty, 20 years in jail. they have until wednesday to apeal though.

[thatgirlmichelle]

Yeah I just read that on Ninemsn.

Ugh.

[mick]

It's ridiculous. Why would anyone take that much weed into a country where you can buy it cheap as dirt and there is so much of it?? After that sentence, the support that we as Australians have given indonesia with the tsunami etc, we should boycot the fucking place. You wont see me in Indonesia anytime soon. 20 yrs in jail + $14,000AU fine. A bit harsh I think. BOYCOTT BALI!

[thatgirlmichelle]

It's ridiculous. Why would anyone take that much weed into a country where you can buy it cheap as dirt and there is so much of it?? After that sentence, the support that we as Australians have given indonesia with the tsunami etc, we should boycot the fucking place. You wont see me in Indonesia anytime soon. 20 yrs in jail + $14,000AU fine. A bit harsh I think. BOYCOTT BALI!

Yeah I agree with you. I guess you can't interfere with another country's law system, but on the other hand after the amount of money we poured into the place and the aid we gave surely we should have been able to come to some arrangement.

I'm not going there, that's for sure.

[mick]

That's one person on my side.

Bali relies on Australia's tourism to survive...
I'm sure if we screwed up their economy by not going there anymore, that could persuade the judges, or at least the president to pardon her.

[Jackstar]

i agree. i believe she is innocent but we have to live with what penalty they have given her. 20years and 14,000 AU is pretty good considering there were talks of the death penalty. but if she is Innocent she deserves to be a free women right now.

Jacqui
Hooroo

[thatgirlmichelle]

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Australians thought "no fuck it, I'm not taking the risk". I mean, aren't law systems in place to supposedly protect the innocent and bring those who do break the law down to justice? The system let down an innocent person and it could have happened, and will happen, to anyone. People will start going elsewhere for their holidays. But yeah, if their economy suffers hopefully it would be enough for them to pardon her. If they don't, I just think we should cut all ties with them.

[thatgirlmichelle]

i agree. i believe she is innocent but we have to live with what penalty they have given her. 20years and 14,000 AU is pretty good considering there were talks of the death penalty. but if she is Innocent she deserves to be a free women right now.

Jacqui
Hooroo

True, but if it was me I'd rather the death penalty than 20 years in that hell.

[Nicky Noo]

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Australians thought "no fuck it, I'm not taking the risk". I mean, aren't law systems in place to supposedly protect the innocent and bring those who do break the law down to justice? The system let down an innocent person and it could have happened, and will happen, to anyone. People will start going elsewhere for their holidays. But yeah, if their economy suffers hopefully it would be enough for them to pardon her. If they don't, I just think we should cut all ties with them.
but does that mean, we should cut ties with every country that Australia has a problem with. I not sure it would be a good idea. Thats me & my opinion.

[thatgirlmichelle]

but does that mean, we should cut ties with every country that Australia has a problem with. I not sure it would be a good idea. Thats me & my opinion.

Yea very good point. We may as well just not talk to any other country :p.

[Tribal_Drummer]

After that sentence, the support that we as Australians have given indonesia with the tsunami etc, we should boycot the fucking place. You wont see me in Indonesia anytime soon. 20 yrs in jail + $14,000AU fine. A bit harsh I think. BOYCOTT BALI!

That's one person on my side.


I have a feeling there'll be a lot more too...

I've already read several comments online about boycotting Bali.

[mick]

Yeah we all know nothing that we say is going to happen, but hey, it's a good way to vent our anger is it not? I just can't believe they sentence her because of the failure to provide the person who owned the marijuana. They were presented with evidence of corrupt baggage handlers in Sydney and Brisbane but discarded the evidence because they didn't have the actual person who owned it. Hell they didn't even check the bag that the marijuana was in for fingerprints.

If someone was killed and police found the murder weapon on my property, would that mean that I was guilty? In Bali, I guess so. Fucking morons.

[mick]

I have a feeling there'll be a lot more too...

I've already read several comments online about boycotting Bali.

I hope so, man. I hope so.

[Nicky Noo]

it wont matter if people want to boycott Bali. There are still people who will go there anyway regardless of what has happened. I'm not saying that those people dont care about what has happened, i'm just saying that to some people it wont make a difference.

I'm going in September for 10 days and while i am a bit worried, the people i am going with have been going for 30 odd years (every yr). I will take precautions with my luggage etc. I feel for Schappelle & what has happened to her. Lets just hope if they cant appeal the sentence, they will let her come home to serve it.

At least she will be with her family. :)

[lozzy]

It's ridiculous. Why would anyone take that much weed into a country where you can buy it cheap as dirt and there is so much of it?? After that sentence, the support that we as Australians have given indonesia with the tsunami etc, we should boycot the fucking place. You wont see me in Indonesia anytime soon. 20 yrs in jail + $14,000AU fine. A bit harsh I think. BOYCOTT BALI!
bloody oath!! i won't be going there either.

[pinkcat]

yeah poor shapelle.........what have they done with the bali bomber????has he been sentenced yet????i think not.....how many ppl did he kill?

[Shenelle]

I used to think she was innocent. I am not too sure anymore! But seriously, she cant be that stupid can she? I mean, if someone came and asked her if the bad was hers, and she knew what was in it and that she was about to get busted, wouldnt she just have said no? Come on - seriously. She would have taken more precautions than that im sure!

Also, i dont think her parents helped the issue at all. I can understand their daughter is going through hell, but they look like nut cases to me!

All the same, I dont think that she should have gotten 20 years. I think I too would have rathered the death penalty than 20 years. I wouldnt be surprised if she doesnt make it out in 20 years. I wouldnt be surprised if she decided that she didnt want to go on living! I know I wouldnt thats for sure!

All I can say is - poor thing. Hope they let her come home and do it here, that couldnt be anywhere near as bad as the prison over there!

[bek]

i'm in such termoil about this whole thing and i guess here is as good a place as any to share my thoughts!! i like Shenelle thought she was innocent, but now i'm not so sure. regardless of that i just think the punishment does not fit the crime bt at the same time i think we should respect the Indonessian laws and courts....how would we like it if we were sentencing someone from Bali in australia and were constantly second guessing. With that said i totally support Schappelle Corby and even cried today when i saw what happened. Bring her home and let her complete her sentence here. Sorry to be all over the place! my mind's fuzzy!!!

[thatgirlmichelle]

i'm in such termoil about this whole thing and i guess here is as good a place as any to share my thoughts!! i like Shenelle thought she was innocent, but now i'm not so sure. regardless of that i just think the punishment does not fit the crime bt at the same time i think we should respect the Indonessian laws and courts....how would we like it if we were sentencing someone from Bali in australia and were constantly second guessing. With that said i totally support Schappelle Corby and even cried today when i saw what happened. Bring her home and let her complete her sentence here. Sorry to be all over the place! my mind's fuzzy!!!

Nah I'm the same, I just wish we knew the real story.

[mick]

The opposition is appealling against Schapelle. They think the verdict was too easy on her. THEY WANT HER SHOT!! Fucking sick pigs..

........ahhh, excuse the language, this shit gets me all worked up and that.

[Shenelle]

are u serious? Thats bloody insane! Geesh!

[thatgirlmichelle]

What the fuck? That absolutely disgusts me. I think she's suffered enough and now they're going to drag her through it again?

[mick]

are u serious? Thats bloody insane! Geesh!

I'm dead serious.
They wont be sucessful, but it may ruin any chances of Schapelle appealling for a shorter sentence.

It's a pretty screwed up system in the way they excercise the death penalty over there too. No injections or anything easy like that... They put you in front of a firing squad, each one pulls the trigger, not knowing whether their gun is loaded or not...until KABOOM...only one guns is loaded... Pretty good on the phsyche huh?

[thatgirlmichelle]

I'm dead serious.
They wont be sucessful, but it may ruin any chances of Schapelle appealling for a shorter sentence.

It's a pretty screwed up system in the way they excercise the death penalty over there too. No injections or anything easy like that... They put you in front of a firing squad, each one pulls the trigger, not knowing whether their gun is loaded or not...until KABOOM...only one guns is loaded... Pretty good on the phsyche huh?

What's the point of that? So they don't feel like murderers or something?

[Nicky Noo]

The opposition is appealling against Schapelle. They think the verdict was too easy on her. THEY WANT HER SHOT!! Fucking sick pigs..

........ahhh, excuse the language, this shit gets me all worked up and that.
How can they do that. I thought once they gave the verdict, that was it. That really sucks!

[mick]

What's the point of that? So they don't feel like murderers or something?

I dunno why they do it that way, they always have. Trust me, you would know whether your bullet was a blank or not, especially if you had enough experience with a gun to be on the firing squad. I think it's more so that the public eye doesn't know who shot the person. Safety for them I guess.

How can they do that. I thought once they gave the verdict, that was it. That really sucks!

If that was the case, there would be no way that Schapelle could get a shorter sentence, be set free, or spend her prison time in Australia. Both argueing sides have the right for an appeal, and in this case, both sides will be appealling.

[Puck0]

This case is just one of many. It is rediculous how much they get into this stuff when it's "hot".
The media are a bunch of blood sucking vultures all working for the tabloid world in this day and age, it's not a matter of getting the truth out. from a time where news was news and that was all, now they are coming out with eye bulging stories, that stupid people get enthusied in.
This sort of crime happens everyday around the world. What we hear in australia is what they australia wants australians to hear. The media is practically shoving the innocent verdict down our throats its rediculous. The same thing is happening with the War In Irag [tm] Australia's involvment is only shown to us when they have something nice to say, and not otherwise.
stupid media.
stupid case.
stupid woman.
Australia is a lucky countries, a country where we are resonable in judgment and punishment, other countries are not expected to be as lenient with laws and such, they are run on religion. so the punishment is fitting to that.
i want to know what would have happened with this case if it wasnt raped by the media.

[mick]

Yeah so the media drown stories until they have been completely changed and raped of the true story. I have followed this case from day one and I am only going by the evidence that was presented in the court room. What was said in the court room, and shown in the court room. No media tales and exaggerations. I watched the court hearing this morning, on live television (sky news), nothing was changed, altered, or exaggerated by the media.

You say you would like to know what would have happened with this case if it wasn't raped by the media. The judges said "We give the verdict from the evidence we have got, with no pressure or bribary either party". I don't think it would have made a fuck of difference whether the media got involved or not. We just wouldn't have known about the case at all.

[Puck0]

Also, i forgot to include that she wont end up spending 20 years in some indo cell. The feds will get into it, she'll be back in queensland, in some rich arse home after spending a few cushy months in a queensland jail then profiting in full by selling her story.

[Puck0]

I am not saying that the case will be affected by the bloody media, i am saying that the people have a bias opinion.

[mick]

Also, i forgot to include that she wont end up spending 20 years in some indo cell. The feds will get into it, she'll be back in queensland, in some rich arse home after spending a few cushy months in a queensland jail then profiting in full by selling her story.

Hopefully you're right.

[Puck0]

another thing, you are all so sympathetic to shapelle, what about the less photogenic australians in asian jails for drug chages? do they get the media, the goverment, bloody music forums, a nation backing them?

[Shenelle]

That firing squad is terrible! Imagine the fear of 20 ppl with guns pointing them at you and 1 by 1 firing them and then knowing that *somewhere* along the line you are going to die.... thats like 20 times the pain of knowing that u are about to be shot. Just not knowing which one!

[Puck0]

That firing squad is terrible! Imagine the fear of 20 ppl with guns pointing them at you and 1 by 1 firing them and then knowing that *somewhere* along the line you are going to die.... thats like 20 times the pain of knowing that u are about to be shot. Just not knowing which one!
With stuff like that in the world, it should make every one of us hear in Australia bloody thankful, and maybe make some of the sooks shut up about our punishments maybe being a little harsh.
we have it bloody good here in comparrison to many other places.

[Shenelle]

With stuff like that in the world, it should make every one of us hear in Australia bloody thankful, and maybe make some of the sooks shut up about our punishments maybe being a little harsh.
we have it bloody good here in comparrison to many other places.
thats so true!

[Puck0]

ha, i can be sensible Shenelle. SEE SEE!??!?!

[Shenelle]

ha, i can be sensible Shanelle. SEE SEE!??!?!


that would be SHENELLE, not Shanelle!

[Puck0]

i.dont.know.what.you.are.talking.about
hahaha

[Missah]

i believe that she is probably innocent

[Puck0]

well she's guilty.
innocent until proven guilty.
she has been proven guilty.

[da_lozmeister]

she's gotta be guilty though. the circumstances r WAY to suspicious for her not to be...

everyone jst has to sorta remember that the legal system in Indonesia and the legal system here r two COMPLETELY different things. If she was trialled here...yes she probably would have been acquitted jst for the sole reason of there being a reasonable doubt. In Bali...they don't work the same as us. We cant judge their government harshly over this case as they were following their laws and justice system. I think at times the Australian public completely forgets that Bali is NOT part of Australia and therefore they do not follow our laws and therefore...what happens in Bali happens in Bali under Balinese laws.

In their eyes and under their laws, she is guilty and we shouldn't be battling a decision that we really don't have any control over.

Circumstances r way too suspicious and coincidental for her to be innocent...

That's my two cents for this issue

[Sunshine]

well she's guilty.
innocent until proven guilty.
she has been proven guilty.

How can she be guilty? the prosecution cannot prove that she is, beyond any resonable doubt. they have no confession and no real evidance, except that it was in her bag (and we all kno the story wif that). Give the poor girl a break.....she needs all the support and hope that she can get at the moment!
As for the other aussie in indonesian jails on drug charges, most of them more than likely would've been caught with the drugs or confessed the guilt. I will believe that schappelle is innocent until she can be proven guilty....beyond ANY doubt! :eek:


Johnnie howard is such a pussy, all he cares about is trade with indonesia! if he had any guts he woulda atleast tried 2 get that poor girl home, where she belongs, months ago. And besides, u can be a terrorist over there and get a better deal than wat schappelle got! it's just wrong! :confused:

I'm wif u guys who will stay away from indonesia!

"Stay strong schappelle! Australia is behind u!" :)

[Puck0]

How can she be guilty? the prosecution cannot prove that she is, beyond any resonable doubt. they have no confession and no real evidance, except that it was in her bag (and we all kno the story wif that). Give the poor girl a break.....she needs all the support and hope that she can get at the moment!
As for the other aussie in indonesian jails on drug charges, most of them more than likely would've been caught with the drugs or confessed the guilt. I will believe that schappelle is innocent until she can be proven guilty....beyond ANY doubt! :eek:


Johnnie howard is such a pussy, all he cares about is trade with indonesia! if he had any guts he woulda atleast tried 2 get that poor girl home, where she belongs, months ago. And besides, u can be a terrorist over there and get a better deal than wat schappelle got! it's just wrong! :confused:

I'm wif u guys who will stay away from indonesia!

"Stay strong schappelle! Australia is behind u!" :)


you can not fall back on a stupidity or ignorence argument, there was real evidence it was in her bag. HER BAG. now, it was in a body board bag, have you ever considered that she put it in there, and thought, oh if they find it i will just say "why would i be stupid enough to put it in there? with it being so easy to find?" i believe it was a risky move for her that would have paid off.
she has been found guilty by a board of judges, who have heard both sides of the story. unlike you.

[jimmy]

I think shes probably guilty, but i didnt sit through the whole trial so i cant be sure...

The reason i say this is all the evidence given by a number of witnesses regarding the incidence when they first found the weed.... They asked to see her baggage and she said "no", then she agreed and opened the little front pocket, then eventually she opened the main part... Something like 3 witnesses said she was really nervous and all testified with the same story about the above info...

and also 4.1Kg is a fair amount of mass, surely u'd notice when u go to pick it off the carosel and maybe say something, or check it out, then, rather then proceding through security looking very, very worried... And aparently (according to article in paper) westerners in bali are afraid to buy weed off locals cause they think they're undercover cops, so they buy it off other westerners for lotsa coin...

But regardless of the verdict, the sentence is way too harsh... This is the same legal system that gave ABU BAKAR BASHIR (who was found guilty of conspiracy over a terrorist attack that killed 202 people) only two and a half years.... That is the real injustice....

[:: katie b ::]

you can not fall back on a stupidity or ignorence argument, there was real evidence it was in her bag. HER BAG. now, it was in a body board bag, have you ever considered that she put it in there, and thought, oh if they find it i will just say "why would i be stupid enough to put it in there? with it being so easy to find?" i believe it was a risky move for her that would have paid off.
she has been found guilty by a board of judges, who have heard both sides of the story. unlike you.

excellent point - didn't even consider that. somehow i think i may agree with you!

[Puck0]

lol its what i would do, but i'm italian, so i would just employ someone to smuggle for me haha.
no no, theres a time and a place for drugs and obviously that time is not now and that place is not bali.

[Mickey]

I don't really care if she is guilty or innocent, 20 years in jail for a bag of hooch is ridiculous. I can't see her actually having to stay there, I think some shit will go down.

[Puck0]

yeh like i said, aust. feds will get into it, she'll be out in a few months.
the "supporters" are being pompus right now. its ridiculous.

[Seven]

This whole thing is fukn bullshit...guilty or not, 20 years is like life senstence! for her sake i really hope shes guilty, that would be the only thing keeping me wanting to live, but even then its fuckin drugs!! and considering there were so many unanswered questions and why the fuck would u do a trial in a country where the accused doesnt even understand shit and has no rights!! :mad:


7 months ago i decided i wouldnt want to go to bali or any other countrie with such penalitys, but now i think theyre not even worth any ones time. to think that we always help them out, when it came to the bombings and with the tsunami funds...no offence but they can go fuck emselves!!! :mad:

[Puck0]

the country is a completely different one, and if u commit a crime in that country they should hold the right to punish you accordingly [withen reason] because it is their land and when on their land we should respect their laws and beliefs regardless of what goes on here.
putting aside this case, if one is to make the decision to comit a crime in another country such as bali, then one should be prepaid for the consiquences. many are dumb founded when they wind up incarsirated for having a prescription medication in japan and what not.
someone with 3 pounds of dope in australia would probably get a fine or a short sentence, someone importing drugs into a lot of asian countries will find themselves dead.

[Krissybelle]

This whole thing is fukn bullshit...guilty or not, 20 years is like life senstence! for her sake i really hope shes guilty, that would be the only thing keeping me wanting to live, but even then its fuckin drugs!! and considering there were so many unanswered questions and why the fuck would u do a trial in a country where the accused doesnt even understand shit and has no rights!! :mad:


7 months ago i decided i wouldnt want to go to bali or any other countrie with such penalitys, but now i think theyre not even worth any ones time. to think that we always help them out, when it came to the bombings and with the tsunami funds...no offence but they can go fuck emselves!!! :mad:


Well said seven. I completely agree.

[Seven]

the country is a completely different one, and if u commit a crime in that country they should hold the right to punish you accordingly [withen reason] because it is their land and when on their land we should respect their laws and beliefs regardless of what goes on here.
putting aside this case, if one is to make the decision to comit a crime in another country such as bali, then one should be prepaid for the consiquences. many are dumb founded when they wind up incarsirated for having a prescription medication in japan and what not.
someone with 3 pounds of dope in australia would probably get a fine or a short sentence, someone importing drugs into a lot of asian countries will find themselves dead.

yes i agree with that to sum what extent but come on if thats the case then change the laws...how many years do they give to murder over there anyhow?

besides if such a country is going to hold such harsh laws against a mild drug, then shouldnt they do a proper trial and follow up EVERTHING to make sure they are convicting properly!

maybe john howard should hire some ppl to kidnap their judge and PM over there and hold them til they send her back.. :rolleyes:

[swede]

I believe shes innocent but if she wasnt f**** hell shes already suffered enough. this whole bull shit makes me mad. and if she got life or something ohhh man :mad:


Got to say shes one strong person, i would of given up a loooong time ago, regardless if i was innocent or not.


if she isnt.. she deserves it all for being so bloody stupid

[swede]

This whole thing is fukn bullshit...guilty or not, 20 years is like life senstence! for her sake i really hope shes guilty, that would be the only thing keeping me wanting to live, but even then its fuckin drugs!! and considering there were so many unanswered questions and why the fuck would u do a trial in a country where the accused doesnt even understand shit and has no rights!! :mad:


7 months ago i decided i wouldnt want to go to bali or any other countrie with such penalitys, but now i think theyre not even worth any ones time. to think that we always help them out, when it came to the bombings and with the tsunami funds...no offence but they can go fuck emselves!!! :mad:

i personally think we have no right to comment on any other jurisdiction, esp since ours isnt perfect...

also we have no right to comment on what is correct punishment, they have dif views and i dont think we should be able to comment on that

[Puck0]

also we have no right to comment on what is correct punishment, they have dif views and i dont think we should be able to comment on that
werd mother fucker

[Peter Pan]

I do not know if she is guilty cause I dont know all of what was said at the trial. Do ppl really think that the Indonesian justice system will be influenced if some tourists dont go to Bali.

The only ppl that will feel the pressure if tourists dont go there will be the shopkeepers and the like who rely on tourists for their living. These ppl have nothing to do with the legal system so why punish them?

[Puck0]

bali wouldnt be bali without aussies getting pissed and buying bintang stuff.
bloody aussies cant get enough of bali.

[James]

yer, apparently 20 years in jail, is it? not sure.

but yer, i think its unfair, i think she's innocent.

[jimmy]

i dont get the latest argument thats flying around; "Australia helped indonesia with the tsunami and earthquake and bali bomb etc etc.. , so therefore she should be aquitted."

does this mean any aussie can commit any crime in indonesia and not face any consequences just because aussies have helped out at some stage...

[talz0r]

I feel sorry for her :( basically since she didn't have get the death penalty, she still gets 20 years of her life taken away from her :( sucks.

[James]

id hate to see her when she's set free, waste of life...... :( :(

[Hinny]

I got bored with the case 5 seconds after the media started the obsession. Where's the attention for similar cases involving other Australian citizens and permanent residents? Guilty or innocent, the case has unveiled a dark side to the Australian public psyche-

1. The shameful program on Nine last week. You decide, my arse. As if the people hadn't made up their minds before they heard what Mike Munro and firneds had to say.
2. Why this particular case? Why not the many, many other similar cases in recent years, also involving Australians caught in the drug trafficking web? Could it be that people like Derryn Hinch are right, that she was chosen because she fit in with all the right hallmarks for a tv event? A photogenic young Caucasian girl from the Gold Coast, getting hard done by by the archaic Indonesian judicial system... a media wet dream if there ever was one.
3. If Nine was shameful for airing that piece of shite, then the outburst from radio 2GB's Malcolm Elliot was just outright xenophobic. The story about what he said can be found here http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1369667.htm . Fancy that. An Indonesian judge not knowing English.

The truth is no one here has the facts. I'm not convinced the courtroom in Bali has all of it either, but for so many armchair critics to just come out and say, nope, she's not guilty, that just smacks of arrogance and disregard for the judicial process.

[swede]

I got bored with the case 5 seconds after the media started the obsession. Where's the attention for similar cases involving other Australian citizens and permanent residents? Guilty or innocent, the case has unveiled a dark side to the Australian public psyche-

1. The shameful program on Nine last week. You decide, my arse. As if the people hadn't made up their minds before they heard what Mike Munro and firneds had to say.
2. Why this particular case? Why not the many, many other similar cases in recent years, also involving Australians caught in the drug trafficking web? Could it be that people like Derryn Hinch are right, that she was chosen because she fit in with all the right hallmarks for a tv event? A photogenic young Caucasian girl from the Gold Coast, getting hard done by by the archaic Indonesian judicial system... a media wet dream if there ever was one.
3. If Nine was shameful for airing that piece of shite, then the outburst from radio 2GB's Malcolm Elliot was just outright xenophobic. The story about what he said can be found here http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1369667.htm . Fancy that. An Indonesian judge not knowing English.

The truth is no one here has the facts. I'm not convinced the courtroom in Bali has all of it either, but for so many armchair critics to just come out and say, nope, she's not guilty, that just smacks of arrogance and disregard for the judicial process.

mate.... i fuckin agree with u

[Hinny]

Another thing. Why should she get special treatment in getting sent home, ahead of the hundreds of Australian nationals serving jail time in foreign jails for whatever crime? What makes HER so special?

I just heard a report saying little Johnny mentioned something about sending over 2 QCs over there to help her with legal advice over the appeal process, out of taxpayer funds. Hopefully I heard wrong. The preferential treatment given to this case has surely reached a climax already.

[swede]

the work of the media my friend.. the work of the media

[Hinny]

i personally think we have no right to comment on any other jurisdiction
I disagree on this. I reserve the right to criticise all jurisdictions. Australian, Indonesian, American, Chinese, ICJ, whichever one.
esp since ours isnt perfect...
Sure got this one right.
also we have no right to comment on what is correct punishment, they have dif views and i dont think we should be able to comment on that
As I said, I'll bloody well comment on anything. And they can do the same back.

[Hinny]

Ok, so I was right. Downer is offering the legal assistance. And Labor chimed in by saying she should be pardoned.

Dear politicians,
There are 68 people who are currently being incarcerated under traumatic circumstances in a country that actively attacked another for no legitimate reason. Their innocence from any crime is unquestionable. They are highly vulnerable, and many have been wrongfully imprisoned for years. Their cases were decided upon the principle of guilty until proven innocent. And even when their innocence is proven, they still suffer from this imprisonment.

So while you're focusing on this case in Indonesia, don't forget you're doing all these very things, to the 68 kids locked away in our very own concentration camps.

Signed
A concerned and pissed off citizen. Yes, I'm Asian, and I do carry around some ID, though your goons may choose to disregard those and lock me up anyway for looking 'different'.

[adelaide]

Another thing. Why should she get special treatment in getting sent home, ahead of the hundreds of Australian nationals serving jail time in foreign jails for whatever crime? What makes HER so special?

I just heard a report saying little Johnny mentioned something about sending over 2 QCs over there to help her with legal advice over the appeal process, out of taxpayer funds. Hopefully I heard wrong. The preferential treatment given to this case has surely reached a climax already.
If the government didnt assist an australian overseas would you then complain and say "they dont do enough for australians in trouble abroad?"
Do you also think the goverment should not assist Douglas Wood and his family in Iraq to attempt to have him freed?

[Hinny]

If the government didnt assist an australian overseas would you then complain and say "they dont do enough for australians in trouble abroad?"
Do you also think the goverment should not assist Douglas Wood and his family in Iraq to attempt to have him freed?
I'm saying make it consistent. No preferential treatment for her just because of the power of the media. Fine, help her, but don't forget to help all those other people who don't get the media attention and thus aren't good for political pointscoring.

As for Dougie, I reckon our forces shouldn't be there, but that's an argument for another day.

[adelaide]

I'm saying make it consistent. No preferential treatment for her just because of the power of the media. Fine, help her, but don't forget to help all those other people who don't get the media attention and thus aren't good for political pointscoring.

As for Dougie, I reckon our forces shouldn't be there, but that's an argument for another day.
There is nothing that springs to mind for me, that John Howard has ever done for political point scoring. If anything, it seems the populous likes to complain about him rather than applaud anything he has done for the country.

[swede]

There is nothing that springs to mind for me, that John Howard has ever done for political point scoring. If anything, it seems the populous likes to complain about him rather than applaud anything he has done for the country.

if thats the case, how does he get re-elected?

[Hinny]

I'm off to bed now, but I'll make a point of making a long winded reply tomorrow night.

[adelaide]

if thats the case, how does he get re-elected?
all i ever hear is people complaining about him. i dont have a problem with him, i think he has been a good prime minister, hence why he has been elected for 4 successive terms.

[Puck0]

Australia will not be happy with who ever is in power [so to speak] of our fair country. This is because with the good comes the bad, and with politics it is basically a two sided game. So as soon as the elected government does something that may not fit to a large/small perportion of voters opinions, it is only to be expected that the media and oppisition goverment jump all over it and blow it out of wack.

back and forth critacism is all it is, and it will be no better any time soon.
if labour right now were to turn around and point out some of the good things John Howie and his government have done for this country, then it surely would turn peoples votes and opinions on Mr. Howie john john and his government.

If i were legal age i would have voted Labour in the last election for reasons that their supposed plans would have benifited me if they had stayed in power for a term.
If our country didnt have it's dick in someone elses sand, and wasnt involved with this War On Terror [tm] then i would be in a euphoric state of mind about australia, but HEY! i understand why we are there, it's all about thinking a head. -ok drifted
basically what my point was, was that Australia wont be happy about who ever is in power. We need balance in our lives, if we were happy all the time it wouldnt be a life. people need to be annoyed, it keeps us passionate and living..
drifting.

[Cheyne]

The Corby case has only served to confirm the bullshit nature of international politics. It has long been known that a nation states sovereignty and the ability of a nation state to manage its own affairs without the interference of others nations has been priviliged over individual rights (thus the expense of innocent victimes like Corby). Corby in this case is the victim and there is no chance in hell Howard will do anything to jeapardise the relationship between Indonesia and Australia. Although it seems hes concerned with the public response to the verdict, I reckon hes underestimated the collective voice of most Australians in terms of our hearts and minds.

I have no idea what the judicial system is like in Bali, or indeed Indonesia so I wont say that injustices have been commited. But what I will say is that i think its an absolute given that Schepelle would have been given a fairer trial back home. As it is the judges didnt even speak English. My heart goes out to Schepelle and am completely in awe of her ability to find courage in the most difficult of times.

[Hinny]

As it is the judges didnt even speak English.
Gotta run, but why should they speak English?

[jazzpiano]

Did you see the look on her face when she turned to her family? Oh my God!
That was a heart-wrenching look.
Watch this: http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200505/r48358_127428.asx

[mick]

you can not fall back on a stupidity or ignorence argument, there was real evidence it was in her bag. HER BAG. now, it was in a body board bag, have you ever considered that she put it in there, and thought, oh if they find it i will just say "why would i be stupid enough to put it in there? with it being so easy to find?" i believe it was a risky move for her that would have paid off. she has been found guilty by a board of judges, who have heard both sides of the story. unlike you.

Mate tell me how it would have paid off??
A country where you can buy it for dirt off kids on the beach with your beer and cigarettes. A country where there is so much of it, theres no trouble getting your hands on it, and in comparison to the price of here, costs practically nothing. OK IF she was exporting it from Bali, yes risky move, may have paid of, but importing it, thats just idiocy. Anyone who has been there before would know that it would never pay off. So, can you tell me, how would it have paid off?

[mick]

The Corby case has only served to confirm the bullshit nature of international politics.

Thats a good point. Couldn't agree more.

[lozzy]

Mate tell me how it would have paid off??
A country where you can buy it for dirt off kids on the beach with your beer and cigarettes. A country where there is so much of it, theres no trouble getting your hands on it, and in comparison to the price of here, costs practically nothing. OK IF she was exporting it from Bali, yes risky move, may have paid of, but importing it, thats just idiocy. Anyone who has been there before would know that it would never pay off. So, can you tell me, how would it have paid off?
because the dope was hydroponic (not sure of spelling..) which is worth at least twice as much as the local stuff and in high demand.

[Seven]

ahhh I wish theyd stop playing that sad schappelle song on the radio damn it!!! :(


oh and is it true that the actual bali bombers got fucken 2 yrs for all those killings while schappelle gets 20!!! now come on where the fuck is the justice on that!!

[mick]

because the dope was hydroponic (not sure of spelling..) which is worth at least twice as much as the local stuff and in high demand.
Even if it is worth twice the local shit, you're still going to lose money on it.

[Puck0]

is that an educated opinion mick?

[mick]

is that an educated opinion mick?
dead set, you can get it for next to nothing over there. I don't know what the price paid was here, but you would be better off selling it in Australia, making a decent profit off it, then selling it Bali and being lucky to break even.

[Puck0]

who said she isnt growing it hydroponically here and making 100% profit over there for reasons that what she is growing is sort after there?
its probably.
i think you should give it a rest.

[mick]

You know what, maybe you're right, maybe she was growing it herself....I don't know, but YOU and I have the right to that opinion. We have human rights, so does Schapelle, but, she didn't have the right to a true and fair trial.

Also, read this article, it's starting to make me wonder about her innocence....maybe I am being bias and maybe other people are too.... This article really makes you think...

Why Australian marijuana is a big hit in Bali (http://http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/05/25/1116950758434.html?from=top5&oneclick=true)

[what]

mick, dude. yes, you are right. we have human rights. and you are right. it wasn't a fair trial. because those judges let some dude from an australian prison fly over to bali to give hearsay evidence which would not normally be admissable, even in an australian court. can you tell me how that is fair to all the other cases where people's lives are on the line? where the judges won't bend over backwards and allow hearsay evidence, or read letters from other countries prime ministers, or get translators for the defendant? and yes, again you are right, you ARE biased. you gotta respect their legal system, even if you think it's all wrong. because they respect ours. how would you like it if an indonesian broke the law in australia, and their government sent letters to the judges involved in the case, or if they allowed normally inadmissable evidence. you would be spewin.

[lozzy]

mick, dude. yes, you are right. we have human rights. and you are right. it wasn't a fair trial. because those judges let some dude from an australian prison fly over to bali to give hearsay evidence which would not normally be admissable, even in an australian court. can you tell me how that is fair to all the other cases where people's lives are on the line? where the judges won't bend over backwards and allow hearsay evidence, or read letters from other countries prime ministers, or get translators for the defendant? and yes, again you are right, you ARE biased. you gotta respect their legal system, even if you think it's all wrong. because they respect ours. how would you like it if an indonesian broke the law in australia, and their government sent letters to the judges involved in the case, or if they allowed normally inadmissable evidence. you would be spewin.
heck yes

[jimmy]

mick, dude. yes, you are right. we have human rights. and you are right. it wasn't a fair trial. because those judges let some dude from an australian prison fly over to bali to give hearsay evidence which would not normally be admissable, even in an australian court. can you tell me how that is fair to all the other cases where people's lives are on the line? where the judges won't bend over backwards and allow hearsay evidence, or read letters from other countries prime ministers, or get translators for the defendant? and yes, again you are right, you ARE biased. you gotta respect their legal system, even if you think it's all wrong. because they respect ours. how would you like it if an indonesian broke the law in australia, and their government sent letters to the judges involved in the case, or if they allowed normally inadmissable evidence. you would be spewin.

damn straight.... I cant see what was unfair about the trial.. in an australian court all those dodgy defence witnesses wouldn't have even been heard infront of the jury.

everyone in australia has been conned by the media, once again...

[Puck0]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
straight up

[xr6turbo_dude]

where is justice in indonesia? think about this. the head of the indonesian terror group, the old fart with the long white beard, he ONLY got 2 years for killing 80+ ppl. YET, this girl "smuggled" in a mere 4 kg of weed.

what i reckon is, there is a general anti-australian sentiment in indonesia. this is proven with the niteclub bombing a couple of years ago of which most victims were australians.

it all ties in with al qaeda and osama, keep in mind a lot of indonesians have an islamic belief.

so, the 20 years sentence is a load of shite. it just doesnt make sence to a lot of people.

therefore, i'd never visit indonesia ever again (trust me bali is overrated.), not after what has happened. who'd know what's going happen to my checked in baggage, when some bogan can shove drugs or whatever in it.

[swede]

to me it seems like there are some people in here that dont know what they are talking about

for those who talk about justice.. tell me, what is just?

also, those who say it is unfair... what is fair?

furthermore... those who say it is immoral... what is moral?

thankyou for your time

[lozzy]

to me it seems like there are some people in here that dont know what they are talking about

for those who talk about justice.. tell me, what is just?

also, those who say it is unfair... what is fair?

furthermore... those who say it is immoral... what is moral?

thankyou for your time
word.

[Hinny]

what i reckon is, there is a general anti-australian sentiment in indonesia. this is proven with the niteclub bombing a couple of years ago of which most victims were australians.
One. From last Tuesday's episode of Insight, the Indonesian correspondent on Radio National said no one there gives a toss about Corby. To them, this is just the latest line in a long line of drug cases. Any anti-Australian sentiment, most of it from our involvement in the East Timorese independence movement, would have evaporated from the 1 billion tsunami aid package, plus the private donations.

Two. The bombers said themselves that "Australians" were not the target. The target was against westerners in general. It just so happened that Australians were the dominant Western grouping. I think you'll also find that Australians did not suffer the greatest loss of lives. That would be the local Balinese.

it all ties in with al qaeda and osama, keep in mind a lot of indonesians have an islamic belief.
Well fuck me running. A lot of them are Muslim, so there must be a few of them who are associated with al qaeda. This reminds me of the whole 'asylum seekers are really terrorists' argument all over again.

so, the 20 years sentence is a load of shite. it just doesnt make sence to a lot of people.
A lot of people from where?

20 year sentences are standard practice for the crime over there.

therefore, i'd never visit indonesia ever again (trust me bali is overrated.), not after what has happened. who'd know what's going happen to my checked in baggage, when some bogan can shove drugs or whatever in it.
Said bogan would be shoving the stuff in there in Sydney or some other Australian city, so it's really inconsequential whether you choose to fly to Bali, Rome, Tel Aviv or Addis Ababa.

[jimmy]

alot more aussies dies in bali....
88 aussies
38 balinese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombing

but where they came from doesnt matter, the fact that a stooge that played a part in it (200+ deaths not 80+) only got 2.5yrs, thats a bit stoogy...

[Hinny]

alot more aussies dies in bali....
88 aussies
38 balinese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombing

but where they came from doesnt matter, the fact that a stooge that played a part in it (200+ deaths not 80+) only got 2.5yrs, thats a bit stoogy...
I'm wrong on that one, then. But yes, that particular sentence is ridiculous.

[MISTER WOO]

I thi nk she is innocent,shr may have reason for what she did but yeah innocent and i hope it works out for her,it's awful.

[Puck0]

where is justice in indonesia? think about this. the head of the indonesian terror group, the old fart with the long white beard, he ONLY got 2 years for killing 80+ ppl. YET, this girl "smuggled" in a mere 4 kg of weed.

what i reckon is, there is a general anti-australian sentiment in indonesia. this is proven with the niteclub bombing a couple of years ago of which most victims were australians.

it all ties in with al qaeda and osama, keep in mind a lot of indonesians have an islamic belief.

so, the 20 years sentence is a load of shite. it just doesnt make sence to a lot of people.

therefore, i'd never visit indonesia ever again (trust me bali is overrated.), not after what has happened. who'd know what's going happen to my checked in baggage, when some bogan can shove drugs or whatever in it.

you are a bloody idiot.

[what]

go puck. "it all ties in with al qaeda and osama, keep in mind a lot of indonesians have an islamic belief." WHAT THE FUCK!? are you saying that because the terrorists were islamic, then the general balinese public are all part of the terrorist movement? using your logic, i could call everyone in america murderers because one christian guy murdered a doctor from an abortion clinic!

[Puck0]

one christian guy murdered a doctor from an abortion clinic!
refer to my avatar.
guy
a lot of the Pro life groupers i see and hear are men, from me perspective, it is a lot fucking more about what the woman wants than what some guy thinks.
they dont know the feeling.

[jimmy]

a lot of the Pro life groupers i see and hear are men, from me perspective, it is a lot fucking more about what the woman wants than what some guy thinks.
they dont know the feeling.

I dont think its gender that makes people "pro-lifers" or not, its religious belief....

[Puck0]

That's not what i am saying. my point is that the choice whether or not to have one or not impacts a woman far greater than a man.
i'm not saying all pro lifers are males, i'm saying that the ones i have seen on tv ranting, politicians, the ones killing doctors are male.
regardless of religious beliefs, it's not their mix

[jimmy]

yeh i agree..

i just dont see any difference between male and female right to lifers. i get the impression from ur post that ur more resentful towards male right to lifers than female ones.

[swede]

refer to my avatar.

a lot of the Pro life groupers i see and hear are men, from me perspective, it is a lot fucking more about what the woman wants than what some guy thinks.
they dont know the feeling.

this to me is one of the worst posts ever... what u said to xturbo could reply to u when considering this.

why is it more to what the woman thinks? it should be equal.

u should take up a feminazi clinic

[jimmy]

this to me is one of the worst posts ever... what u said to xturbo could reply to u when considering this.

why is it more to what the woman thinks? it should be equal.

u should take up a feminazi clinic

exactly what i was trying to say!

[adelaide]

i have a friend working in japan at the world expo - all the australian federal police and department of foreign affairs that are working there believe she is guilty. just thought people might be interested in that.
i still feel sorry for her. another point - how much does she look like someone from the gold coast?!!! :eek:

[swede]

i honestly dont know if she is guilty or not...

i dont like it when people say she is downright innocent when they really dont know

[Hinny]

why is it more to what the woman thinks? it should be equal.

u should take up a feminazi clinic
I definitely do not think it should be equal. The woman has to deal with all the morning sickness, birth giving, contractions, and all that. The man has sympathy pains. Provided, of course, the man hasn't run away to leave the poor woman carry the little blob of meat inside.

[swede]

I definitely do not think it should be equal. The woman has to deal with all the morning sickness, birth giving, contractions, and all that. The man has sympathy pains. Provided, of course, the man hasn't run away to leave the poor woman carry the little blob of meat inside.

there is more to having a child than merely giving birth, yeh they do that, but then the male has other responsibilities in the mean time.

[jimmy]

so if a women has had a child then she has more of a right to deny another woman her "choice", simply cause she's gone through a pregnancy.

[Hinny]

i still feel sorry for her. another point - how much does she look like someone from the gold coast?!!! :eek:
Put it this way- there would be a 5 line newspaper article if the suspect was a dark skinned man of Asian origin, with no follow-up on the case anywhere in the media after said article was published. I know this is the case because this has been the norm for a long time now.

[jimmy]

Put it this way- there would be a 5 line newspaper article if the suspect was a dark skinned man of Asian origin, with no follow-up on the case anywhere in the media after said article was published. I know this is the case because this has been the norm for a long time now.

or nine scary looking caucasians (aka bali nine)

[Hinny]

there is more to having a child than merely giving birth, yeh they do that, but then the male has other responsibilities in the mean time.
I have in my mind the following short scenario:

A woman gets preggers after she has unprotected sex with her bloke. The bloke wants a kid. The woman says she can't go through with it- she's just not prepared for the pregnancy.

I do not think that there is any difference between a male and a female 'lifer'. But when it comes to making decisions about terminations, the woman should always have the last word.

[Hinny]

or nine scary looking caucasians (aka bali nine)
Bali 9 weren't all Caucasians

[Puck0]

thank you hinny
jesus chrisstttt women DO have the final say for good bloody reason.

[swede]

I have in my mind the following short scenario:

A woman gets preggers after she has unprotected sex with her bloke. The bloke wants a kid. The woman says she can't go through with it- she's just not prepared for the pregnancy.

I do not think that there is any difference between a male and a female 'lifer'. But when it comes to making decisions about terminations, the woman should always have the last word.

they have the last word because the baby is inside them, but i dont think they should have the last word when it comes to having the baby, i think there should be total consideration of everyone involved. but going in this direction u bring about issues of what is life etc, which is impossible to argue in my view.

i think that if that is how u put it, where they dont want the baby when the male says no, then if the male says no and she wants it, she doesnt deserve any child support, or anything to do with that, no help nothing from the man

[Mickey]

errr.. Like they couldn't grow hydro in Bali, it doesn't take alot. I bet most of them have the top of the range setup.

[swede]

couldnt you grow it anywhere? if that is the case, why does anyone ever import it?

same with all drugs?

[Puck0]

there is different grades of marajuana and stuff.
it's like coke and stuff, and its the reason why drugs from certain places are sort after and paid top dollar for.

[swede]

yeh but cant all drugs be manufactured equally well in each location?

[Mickey]

I assume they can be. I thought it was just because it was worht more in another place. I don't see any other reason for doing it.

[Mickey]

I guess there is always going to be shortages of a certain drug in some places... for some reason. Fuck I dunno, I'm talking shit. I don't know.

[Puck0]

there is no shortage of marajuana in bali haha.
none at all, but you cant be too certain about the quaility of whatever u are taking there.
something from australia is sold with a little more sercurity.

[Hinny]

i think that if that is how u put it, where they dont want the baby when the male says no, then if the male says no and she wants it, she doesnt deserve any child support, or anything to do with that, no help nothing from the man
Maybe this is because a lot of my work revolves around single mums, but again I have to side with the ladies on this one.

[Mickey]

there is no shortage of marajuana in bali haha.

I'd forgotten about Bali and Schapelle, I was just having a drug conversation.

[Miss_Kate]

I believe she is innocent.

Poor schappelle.. i hope she gets out of there.

love kate xx

[Mickey]

Has anyone searched for Schapelle in google yet? There is a gazillion pages.

There is a forum with 4,036 members. Insane.

[swede]

Maybe this is because a lot of my work revolves around single mums, but again I have to side with the ladies on this one.

see, im not for having single mums if there is lack of support for them, then i just think the bloke is a bastard, thats another issue.

id never want someone to terminate a pregnancy if it was to be my child

[Puck0]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/iaredumb/shapadlockemail.jpg

[jimmy]

thank you hinny
jesus chrisstttt women DO have the final say for good bloody reason.

im confused.... one minute where talking about people taking a womens right to abortion away... and then were talking about a women choice about her own baby... 2 diff arguments...

what im saying is that you shouldnt think ("bloody men they are the ones trying to take away a womans right to abort away"), cause that belief isnt based on gender but rather religion... I dont know were the rest of it came from, thats a diff story...

[swede]

well not even religion.. there are a whole range of factors in that jarmst.. and its a thing i try not to go into because there simply isnt an answer..

[-tor-]

lol puck
been visiting spinstartshere? :p

Firstly, I haven't followed the case closely. I don't know the exact circumstances or evidence, therefore I don't feel i have any right to judge guilt or innocence.
People all around Australia have been commenting on a case that (in large part) they are uneducated in.

Also, it absolutely SICKENS me that people have been asking for tsunami donations back from charity organisations. What will this achieve? The money donated goes directly to the people affected, not to the Indonesian governement.

If anything, this case has majorly fucked up Australia/Indonesia relations and undone a lot of work done by this government and previous governments

Oh and to clear up any confusion, the 'reasonable doubt' argument doesn't fly in Indonesia as their judiciary is based on the inquisitorial system in which parties are guilty until proven innocent. Sure, that may seem shithouse but many other countries all over the world use this system.

And xturbo guy, you are a fucking tool.

p.s. the corbys are the biggest bogans i've ever seen...they'd give Janelle Timmons a run for her money

[jimmy]

p.s. the corbys are the biggest bogans i've ever seen...they'd give Janelle Timmons a run for her money


LMAO... JAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....

[Hinny]

If anything, this case has majorly fucked up Australia/Indonesia relations and undone a lot of work done by this government and previous governments
Doubtful. The attention given to the case has been one way traffic. Indonesians have better things to do than pay attention to the Aussie media.

[-tor-]

I can't speak for how Indonesians are feeling, but right now in Australia there is a lot of hate and anti-Indonesian sentiment.
In that respect Australia/Indonesian relations are fucked

[Hinny]

I can't speak for how Indonesians are feeling, but right now in Australia there is a lot of hate and anti-Indonesian sentiment.
In that respect Australia/Indonesian relations are fucked
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Biological-agent-shuts-Indonesian-embassy/2005/06/01/1117568243315.html

Biological agent shuts Indonesian embassy
June 1, 2005 - 8:05PM

An envelope containing a biological agent has been sent to the Indonesian embassy in Canberra in an apparent reprisal for Schapelle Corby's jailing in Bali.

The biological agent sent contained a bacteria, Prime Minister John Howard said tonight.

Mr Howard said he had been told the substance was a bacteria belonging to the bacillus group. "It's still being tested ... it's not an innocent white powder, it's some kind of biological agent," Mr Howard told the Nine Network.
So, is anyone going to invade our country for using biological agents?

[lily]

Oh and to clear up any confusion, the 'reasonable doubt' argument doesn't fly in Indonesia as their judiciary is based on the inquisitorial system in which parties are guilty until proven innocent. Sure, that may seem shithouse but many other countries all over the world use this system.

And xturbo guy, you are a fucking tool.


Ooooooooooooooooooh yeah!!! :rolleyes:

...And she was presumed 'guilty' because the evidence, (as presented to the judges and excluding all the gimmick defenses that even an Australian court wouldn't have allowed), demonstrated her guilt. Her legal party was unable to find enough admissible evidence to show that their presumprtion was wrong.

And wanting to reclaim aussie tsunami donations! O 4 FUXAKE! :mad:
Yup! Fair enough! We should let hundreds of orphaned kids or the thousands whose parents have totally lost their livelihoods, homes, possessions, spirit, sense of security, families...legs...arms...feet...eyes...( U get the picture, right! ) struggle on without any help because one Australian is sent to jail!

And your comment about the connection to Osama and Al Quaeda shows the extroadinary extent of your knowldege!
Indonesia *is* mainly Moslem but the island of Bali is mainly Hindu! Nothing to do with Osama and everything to do with Ganesha. (Go stick that up yer google! :p )

Next issue! (I'm on a roll! :cool: )
Abu Bakar Bashir only received two years because he was acquitted of planning the Bali bombing. He was found guilty of heading a terrorist organisation which is what the two year sentence was for. The three people who *were* found guilty of carrying out the Bali bombings are all on death row, awaiting execution. Hopefully that'll satisfy your bloodlust!

Why boycott Bali? It's not like the high court judges have a part-time job selling watches on the streets of Kuta or Seminyak, or selling wooden wind-chimes in Ubud! (I'm sure Mickey will know about all of these places, he having such an incredible knowledge of the country's justice-system!) The judges probably won't even know!!! The Balinese people will lose a large chunk of their incomes even though they had nothing to do with the decision! That's justice?


"And the judge didn't even speak English!" Er..............yup.
It's in Indonesia. They speak Indonesian there. I'l give u a minute to absorb this one as I realise it's a tricky concept.
(Cos of course of course *our* judges rush out and brush up on their Swahili just in case the need arises.)

BTW! It made a USA news panel-show today! One of the five women said that the laws were crazy, the other four said that it was wrong if she was innocent but that she'd been found guilty by the laws of that country and just had to abide by them.
I guess it all depends on your perspective, hey!

Ok. Nuff said.


Love this media circus!
I'm waiting for all the Aussie musos to get together in an effort to raise funds for a Schapelle 'fighting fund'.
They'll release a song called...
"We're sending our love to Schapelle!", sung to the tune of that well-known, Simpsons classic... "We're sending our love down the well!".

[Puck0]

fact: i fell asleep trying to keep up with this thread

[jimmy]

Next issue! (I'm on a roll! :cool: )
Abu Bakar Bashir only received two years because he was acquitted of planning the Bali bombing. He was found guilty of heading a terrorist organisation which is what the two year sentence was for. The three people who *were* found guilty of carrying out the Bali bombings are all on death row, awaiting execution. Hopefully that'll satisfy your bloodlust!


okay so u believe 2.5 years is fair for someone who heads a terrorist organisation which has killed 202people in bali + others across indonesia from other attacks... and im the one with "bloodlust" cause i think someone, who has had a part in that many peoples deaths, should get more than 2.5yers... watever u recon...

[lily]

fact: i fell asleep trying to keep up with this thread

:D

[lily]

okay so u believe 2.5 years is fair for someone who heads a terrorist organisation which has killed 202people in bali + others across indonesia from other attacks... and im the one with "bloodlust" cause i think someone, who has had a part in that many peoples deaths, should get more than 2.5yers... watever u recon...

:confused: Where did I say that I believed that it was fair?

[-tor-]

It's not fair BUT the media has led the public to believe that the man responsible for orchestrating and planning the bombings only got 2.5 years.
As Lily said, those actually responsible have been dealt with plenty harsh

[jimmy]

yeh.. i just think the people incharge of a terrorist organisation have just as much responsibility as those who actually carry out the attacks...

lily.... yeh i guess u didnt say "fair"... i just read ur post as if u were meaning that the others got life/death so the 2.5 yrs was enough... sorry if i mis-interpreted u... :)

[lozzy]

is this still going?? geeez get over it already

[Peter Pan]

fact: i fell asleep trying to keep up with this thread


You were the only one with any sense on this thread. so if youve gone to sleep im not reading any more of this.

[jimmy]

i agree... THE END....................

[James]

me and some mates had like a 15 min discussion about this, i learnt alot. Still dont know what she is though, mayb guilty, only cause her family n stuff were involved with drug smugglin a while back.

[lily]

yeh.. i just think the people incharge of a terrorist organisation have just as much responsibility as those who actually carry out the attacks...

lily.... yeh i guess u didnt say "fair"... i just read ur post as if u were meaning that the others got life/death so the 2.5 yrs was enough... sorry if i mis-interpreted u... :)

:) No worries ! :)

[MissyMojo]

i think she's innocent and i hope they let her come back... it really upsets me

[Neo]

i truly believe she is innocent, but what if - by some freak of nature - she isnt? that would be so terrible. because she looks so genuinely upset that she is being blamed when she hasnt done anything, and to hear that everything she has said is fake would disgust me.

[Seven]

im currently reading her book. i still think shes innocent. wheres wentworth miller when u need him!

[Joely]

im currently reading her book. i still think shes innocent. wheres wentworth miller when u need him!
I read a bit from her book that was in the Herald Sun a few weeks ago and it looked like a great read... I might have to get this. Does the money go to any sort of cause / way to free her? Or is it just to the publisher?

I believe she is innocent - her step-brother is another story, but I believe Schapelle herself was framed...

[Seven]

her sister and co writer of corby have copywright. so id say they both get a cut.

if anything the funds should go towards paying off and helping to fund her appeals and stuff. i just started reading it today , up to the 2nd chapter. i think its worth a read sinc ei been following it from the beggining. quite sad though...but at least u get to see whats going on in her head and get to read it from her mouth rather than the tabloids.


it really makes u think, there are so many ppl out there that doubt her innocence, but at the same time...imagine that shes innocent (which i belive) and if thats the case, then that could of happened to any one of us..being framed like that...getting 20 yrs. f*** .

[GoTheHiggsta]

errrr, hard to say about this.... I have just cast my vote in this poll... I'd like to think she was innocent, but in my heart deep down I think she is not as innocent as we may getting led to believe...

:conf:

[Seven]

im past the fourth chapter now.


interesting.

[lozzy]

guilty, guilty, guility.

haha.

[life is peachy without me]

they had a massive thing on NOVA radio station about her and her book the other day..... kate langbrook and her

[Seven]

what about it?

[life is peachy without me]

there is a chapter in her book where apparently she slags off kate langbrook about how she visisted etc..... Kate was talking about on the radio how what is written in the book was very different to what happened. She even got a hug from her when she left and gave schappelle a present and everything. Kate was real upset that it wasn't a true account cos she has always been on the radio and everywhere showing support for schapelle......

[Seven]

what chapter is this?


lambrook is a bit of a tool though.

[Joely]

what chapter is this?


lambrook is a bit of a tool though.
I like Kate, I listen to her and Hughesy in the mornings on Nova.

If you wanna hear it it's on their podcast form yesterday! I got iTunes the other day and have had lost of fun discovering podcasts and that episode is the first one I got!

[life is peachy without me]

yeah is quite interesting really

[Tinkers]

oh mad, think ill listen to that.

didnt Kate give her some tampons? and then it became a trend- go give Schapelle tampons if youre visiting indonesia? thats what i heard, and was planning to do sometime before she gets let out.

Kate's funny as. damn i so wish we got her and Hughsey in sydney.